Harassment And Misuse
I think this site needs to take action against certain goings on and things that are taking place on this website.
I think this site needs to take action against certain goings on and things that are taking place on this website.
Totally agree (cept I have'nt heard from J_B) I do know though that Sapporo is back with avengence posing as all sorts of ages, sexes and purpously sabatoshing all works, Adonai (spelling?) might be in on it too, not sure, really hate to blame but, after all the rude comment that were left from the two, I feel they should be banned. You've got a real nice site here, don't let it go under.......
I strongly believe that, since we all have that little button that says "Delete" over every single comment anyone can post in out pages, we might as well use it. Why ban someone? all we can accomplish is that they subscribe under another nickname and start over with an even stronger attack. Remember: if you don't pay attention to whoever is bothering you, chances are that they go on to bother someone else and leave you alone! Let them be, and let's hope Deliric starts building some privacy options for our pages. We may suggest them to make both a "block this person from my page" option; and the "graphic word thing" that blogger and yahoo use to unable spammer-bots. Oh! what a wonderful thing that delete button is! It allows everyone to speak their minds out, and it allows everyone else to just forget about what we don't want to read!
I am a strong advacate of the one civil liberty that everyone loves but loves to ignore when it comes to their personal matters, I of course refer to the freedom of speech and self-expression. Sites such as this are a foundation to that civil liberty, everyone is on equal terms and everyone has a voice, something most media markets no longer enjoy. Banning a person or even deleting a comment that you don't like may be a good idea in the short term, but in the long run may escalate to censure and the destruction of free speech, much like it happens in the free world. According the the European Court of Human Rights, "Article 10 (free speech) is not only about expressing the views and opinions generaly held by the majority, but about the ventilation of ideas and constant questioning of our society's values. Expressing that which goes against, or even offends the masses, may be more important than that which agrees with them". Dear administrators of this site, please do not follow the path of the outside world.
there's a difference, though: you have the right to write whatever you want in a forum, or your own page, but if you write them in my page, I have all the right to delete your comments. I too disagree with banning the users from the whole site, but from the personal page of anyone who may be offended by then... there's the right to privacy
I agree with you, but once again you can't have a half-way house. The right to privacy is in no way infringed by someone's comment on your work, even if it is abusive. Besides, anyone with sense will know when a comment is truthful and reflective, or just made for the sake of slander and abuse, and thefore discard that person as foolish (discrediting him/herself and not the contributer). There is a reason why everyone can see everyone's comments on the page, a ventilation of ideas, views. Once again what you may regard as offensive towards you, may actually be a constructive criticism for another. I won't go into details but take religion for one. You may think that A's comments about the religious themes of your work are far too biased or offensive towards his/her beliefs, or simply an easy way to explain a more complicated or deep seeded issue. B on the other hand may find truth in the matter and even reconsider some of his personal beliefs or writing tenchinques. You cannot deprive B of that, no matter how much a comment may disagree with your convictions. As I said in my previous comment, censorship destroys freedom of self-expression for it is too subjective. The only way forward is transparency and objectivity.
Wow, hey fellas, after the whole deal w/ above said names, I agree w/ you both now, you've made great points, trust me, I was so upset at the time (caught me one bad day) I wrote to deliric demanding them to delete my account, I deleted my works, replies, and when it was all over, I was never so ashamed and regretful but, we emailed a bit and now the problems solved, should've just deleted from the get go.........Whoo hoo, I'm free, I'm free........All the best, Shad
and as far as I know, they were not banned, they just havent been active..........
Well, in the spanish site they did ban some people, which I think is not the smartest thing to do, but, hey, they agreed to the terms when they subscribed. Again: I agree with alexpretanzi in most of the points he (or she) makes, but I don't believe it constitutes censorship to delete a post from my own page... why? I don't go to your home and write on your walls. I, for one, don't delete any comment, but it is my right to do so, I'm not taking away your right to say what you want to say, but I reserve the right to delete it. And no, I don't consider offensive stuff like discrepancies on religion or politicas, but anyone with something inside the head can (as alex did say) identify the difference between a helpful critique (either good or bad) and just a comment made with just the want to bother... In that case, Yes, there is a delete button. I insist, to make statements for the rest of the world to see, we have the forums, to say whatever you want to say, create discussion themes, whatever... but the personal page is not for that, that is for personal messages about either a particular text or addressed directly to the author (and, yes, there is the "private message" option, which definetly doesn't match that "others can learn of the comment" stuff). That, my friend, is not censorship. And this is a journalist talking, believe me, I do take seriously freedom of speech and the right to be informed. But there's a difference between that and to use it just as a front to step into everyone elses rights as if they were doormaths or something like that.
ok...point taken, I think we've agreed to disagree. As far as writing on walls in my house is concerned, well that's just going a little too far. We are after all talking about a website where people post less than average poetry for the most part. The right to privacy would be infringed if people could read poems and comments that you have posted in private intended for yourself or another. This site however, is a forum of its own and your page is in no way assimilated with your personal space. You contribute to it and that is where your contributions are stored like files, but I don't think that it is any more yours than mine for I have complete access to everything on it apart from those comments that are in private. This would not be so if the creators intended the pages and comments to be 'personal' as you say. But again, this conversation is getting on a little bit, we will not come to any conclusion. My only point is that I have seen on many occasions how what seemed like a completely free medium had been turned into a instrument for ventilating subjective ideas. The two extreme cases would of course be the media markets in the United States and in Russia (as well as the USSR). If in Russia they no longer pretend that the media is free, in the United States people continue to shout about how much liberty they have, while the media is controled by a handful of corporations that only portray those views which bring them the most profits...at the moment, the administration's. In the UK there is more diversity, but alas the best selling and most popular newspapers and TV channels are again all controled by one man, Murdoch, and the latter contributes to the propoganda for whoever pays best (in money and deregulation). I got a little carried away here, but the point is, there's a thin line between freedom of speech and censorship, let's not cross it at least here.
Again, I agree with most of what you said, and I guess we'll have to agree we dissagree -as you said- on the personal message stuff. I keep thinking there's a difference between excercising you rights and stepping on someone else's to do it. While I'm in my page, you're right, it belongs to Deliric and not me, but as long as that's the personal page they are giving me to contribute with my works, it's the same as if I was renting it, which constitutes my "virtual private property" so to speak... everyone is invited to come in and say what they want, and I love a vreview when they tell me what is wrong and why is it bad, but I have the option (even if I never ever use it) to draw the line when it comes to a comment like: "this sucks and you're an asshole"... I'm sorry, but I don't see where such a message may constitute an educational review to anyone. Now Everyone is able to read the forums, so I'm not censoring anyone,they can still express themselves in the same medium,. for the same public and with even more response then in one of my texts. So, Why not keep the texts for comments that relate to that work, the user's pages' message boxes for messages to the users - as they are intended? In everything else, I repeat, I believe you are about a 100% right.
jackal27
Alright. There are a couple of members on this site who are REALLY pissing me off. They haven't commented me personally, and frankly? I don't care what they do to me. But they (might be one person, but the member johnny_b FOR SURE) are going onto other people's poems, and harassing them through comments. He usually tries to disguise it as poetry but if you actually read what his comments say, it's not just constructive critisism. I think this person or perons needs to have their IP adress permanately banned from the site.